saltman
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Post by saltman on Feb 15, 2017 10:50:01 GMT -5
i know we've had this discussion before, but looking at the IFA pool, i am wondering why the likes of Lazarito and Morejon were put in as IFA's instead of the draft? they are only 17/18 years old, clearly they aren't going to see the majors for 3+ years.
personally i don't think it makes sense for us to have to gamble and give multi-year contracts to 17/18 year olds, when in reality the odds on them even making it to the majors are pretty small. and even if they do make it to the majors, it won't be until their contract (in this league) is nearly up!
i'd say that the IFA pool should be reserved for players who are likely to be in the majors within 1 year. anyone else is clearly a prospect and therefore should be treated as such.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 13:04:09 GMT -5
Creating a clear divide between players added into IFA and those available to draft has proven very difficult.
If you (or anyone) would like to propose alternative wording for the rules then I'd certainly be open to looking into any proposal with the view of amending the rules for next offseason.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 13:04:49 GMT -5
If memory serves we did have an age divide at one point, but I think Moncada was the exception which broke that rule.
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saltman
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Post by saltman on Feb 15, 2017 15:48:44 GMT -5
I don't really have a better proposal in terms of wording - even if you said something like "players expected to play in the majors within 1 year go in IFA, otherwise they go in the draft", that's still a judgement call on the part of the Admins.
in terms of an age divide, I suppose you could say something like "18 and under (when signed) go in the draft", "18-21 is Admin judgement call", "21+ go in IFA"
i think at the upper and lower end of the scale, it should be pretty clear-cut, the only judgement required would be the ones in 18-21 where it might be dependent on what their background/experience is. and from an Admin POV, you'd only need to worry about a handful of cases rather than having to assess everyone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 18:40:09 GMT -5
I do think that I didn't do a good job with the IFAs this year. There isn't consistency.
Perhaps we could open this out to the whole group. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this could be done more effectively?
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Post by justinbunko on Feb 15, 2017 19:02:03 GMT -5
I say we strickly go with an age limit. If there is another moncada out there, who cares. Just draft him. It is the luck of the draft. You cant tell me moncada will be any better or quicker to the majors than Kris Bryant and he was in the draft.
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Post by scooter1027 on Feb 15, 2017 20:12:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Moncada is a rarity, a player of his ilk isn't going to come around all that often. I think the draft is the way to go with younger prospects. I dunno what the age cutoff should be, though. I suppose it'll be somewhat arbitrary no matter what, but an age cutoff would eliminate the subjectivity of the process (not that I don't trust the fine upstanding leadership of this league)
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Post by Turbanator on Feb 15, 2017 21:57:14 GMT -5
I guess the counter-argument may be that if IRL clubs have to dish out 10-30M to land some of these elite international guys despite them having that same 2+ year lead time, then it's not that unreasonable to have them as fantasy FA's.
I'm not really sure where I stand on this though. Maybe a cutoff that also uses IRL signing bonus as a limit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:26:33 GMT -5
I feel if they're under 22 the should go in the draft, and over 22 they should be free agents.
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Post by HOU/NYM GM (Kyler) on Feb 15, 2017 23:47:59 GMT -5
whatever we decide we should do it soon. someone better than Moncada might be coming stateside next offseason: Shohei Ohtani
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Post by Turbanator on Feb 16, 2017 0:16:06 GMT -5
whatever we decide we should do it soon. someone better than Moncada might be coming stateside next offseason: Shohei Ohtani The guys coming from the East Asian leagues are typically dropped into the FA groups.
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saltman
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Post by saltman on Feb 16, 2017 2:57:05 GMT -5
I guess the counter-argument may be that if IRL clubs have to dish out 10-30M to land some of these elite international guys despite them having that same 2+ year lead time, then it's not that unreasonable to have them as fantasy FA's. I'm not really sure where I stand on this though. Maybe a cutoff that also uses IRL signing bonus as a limit. this will no longer be an issue under the new CBA www.baseballamerica.com/international/new-mlb-international-signing-rules/#EEfUXxzTg7HHGcvC.97the days of $10M+ bonuses for teenagers are gone now it seems Regarding Otani, the new rules would mean that if he came in the next 2 years he'd be restricted by the new IFA spending rules, so if he does come next year he'll cost himself a lot of money, or he'll have to wait for 3 years until he's 25
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Post by bigfly73 on Feb 16, 2017 11:32:57 GMT -5
Pretty much on board with saltman here. I don't like the idea of us giving out big contracts to these teenagers. Would prefer they go to draft in whatever format we agree on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 12:14:18 GMT -5
Moncada has taken longer and is less of a certainty than Kris Bryant was so this whole process is weird for me and has been since I joined the league.
We (much like the irl teams) get way too excited over he tremors. Just do an age limit and be over with any work for the admins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 12:59:37 GMT -5
What about something like: Played in a professional league in Mexico, Korea or Japan at any point in their career - IFA Otherwise draftable
Is that manageable and clear? Perhaps name the leagues that would cover?
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