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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 6:19:15 GMT -5
Rule '7.6 Players Eligible to be Protected' states:
An unprotected arbitration eligible (1st - 6th year) player may be protected by the team who holds the rights to that player if: 1) the player is a 1st year player who is not eligible to be drafted in the next league Amateur Draft, or 2) the player is a 2nd or 3rd year player, or 3) the player is a 4th - 6th year player who has already passed through waivers in the current season without being claimed.
Rule '8.4 Eligible Players' indicates which 1st year players you are not able to protect:
Players eligible to be drafted [[in the Amateur Draft]] are: 1) Any player drafted and signed in the "real life" Amateur Draft of the previous season. 2) Any player signed to a Major League franchise as an International Free Agent since the closure of the last league Amateur Draft who is aged 21 or under as of January 1st of the offseason of their signing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 13:45:12 GMT -5
Last year, I was under the impression basically that there is a distinction between prospects and 1st year players. Once you call someone up onto your major league roster, he can not be sent back down, and that is his first of only 6 years of control under our arb system, regardless of ABs/IPs/real life arb situations.
For example, Kevin Siegrist has not pitched 50 MLB innings yet. I intentionally did not call him up all year so that he would be designated as a "1st" year player for the purposes of this league in 2014. I thought that if I did call him up at any point during the 2013 season, even if he didn't reach 50 IP, he would automatically be designated as a "2nd" year player for 2014.
The impression I get now based on this post and the current Constitution is that it doesn't matter... I could have called him up and used him as a 1st year player both years. The only time someone becomes a 2nd year player is if they reach 50 IP or 130 ABs.
I don't know if the Constitution was changed, or I saw something somewhere else, or I'm just crazy. But that's a pretty important rule. And if the current rule is the second way (players can be used on a MLB team as 1st year players for more than 1 year), I would vote to change it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 16:10:47 GMT -5
I do not believe that the content of the constitution has been changed from last year other than the rule votes which took place a few weeks ago. If there is anything anywhere in the rules on the old board which suggested that there were "call ups", or triggers to the end of 1st year eligibilty other than 50IP/150ABs then please let me know and I will review the constitution on this board immediately.
As far as I can see the description on the old board rules is this: Milb/prospects: Any player with less than 150 MLB at-bats or 50 MLB innings pitched
As well, perhaps bigfly can comment on what the intention for the rule was to be when the league was created.
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Post by Turbanator on Dec 9, 2013 20:28:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think the constitution ever changed that rule, the arbitration clock only starts at the 50 IP/150AB mark.
That's how I always played this league.
I think the thing to note is that while MLB uses a service time and MLB Roster clock, for our purposes being eligible isn't nearly as useful as being a producing player, so in place of those clocks, we have the IP/AB ticket.
We can certainly discuss a rule change, but I don't think it will be implemented this offseason, as that would require a great deal of roster changing. Ideally it's something to be discussed late in the 2014 season, but it's completely fine to start discussing it now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 21:26:26 GMT -5
I think when this league was set up it was based off another league than I and a couple of others were apart of. There were a few subtle differences that made this league different. But as far as the "minors/major league roster" was concerned everything was based of IP/AB criteria. You could pretty much put everyone on your major league roster and they would stay a 1st year player until they met the career 150 AB or 50 IP limit. Then the next year they would be 2nd year and progress to 6th.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 22:00:25 GMT -5
Ok, obviously I interpreted something wrong somewhere. Sorry guys.
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Post by bigfly73 on Dec 10, 2013 2:28:43 GMT -5
Yeah I remember clarifying that we don't "call up" or "send down" prospects, so not sure where that ever came from, the 50/150 has always been the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 10:16:15 GMT -5
Updated to reflect rule clarifications.
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