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Post by Turbanator on Aug 19, 2015 20:25:38 GMT -5
Why wouldn't this be implemented this offseason? One of the two proposals will be implemented this offseason. However, you won't be able to project salaries from either proposal until the MLB regular season is complete. This is due to proposal 1 being based off the top 5/10/20/40/60 performers per statistical category, and proposal 2 being based off the cumulative season player rater. Both have sliding scales year to year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 5:51:22 GMT -5
Guys, keep in mind that the bandings from the other proposal aren't the ones we would be using this offseason if that option went through. We would still need to wait until the offseason to figure out where the bandings stand, as they would be based off the top 5/10/20/40/60 from this current 2015 season. saltman @sikwitit2113 @jp The other proposal would yield 2015 salaries of: Michael Brantley 10.4 Wade Davis 4.1 FYI I think that regardless of the scale, a 6-category player with Brantley's 2014 numbers (.385/94/20/97/23/309 making him top 10 in TB and R, top 20 in RBI and OBP, top 40 in SB and top 60 in HR) would hit the arb scale maximums we're looking to revise in the thread 'Arb Salaries - Extras 2'. He was a top-10 fantasy asset last season, and these are the sort of guys I believe should still be paid reasonable salary whilst remaining below market value. To me, Wade Davis's $4.1 salary represents pretty much the highest any RP salary would ever reach in arb. He's a 6th year player who was INSANE in 2014. When you compare him to recent free agent salaries of arguably lesser-players (Glen Perkins going for $4.8 pre-hometown discount in 2014 FA, or David Robertson going for $4.8 pre-hometown discount in 2015 FA, for example) then Davis's salary doesn't seem overly inflated. It will be interesting to see what he goes for in FA this offseason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 6:08:11 GMT -5
Why wouldn't this be implemented this offseason? One of the two proposals will be implemented this offseason. However, you won't be able to project salaries from either proposal until the MLB regular season is complete. This is due to proposal 1 being based off the top 5/10/20/40/60 performers per statistical category, and proposal 2 being based off the cumulative season player rater. Both have sliding scales year to year. I think we would probably vote between the three options: a) Top 5/10/15/etc bandings as covered in Arb Salaries Discussion 1 b) Linear regression calculations as covered in Arb Salaries Discussion 2 c) Keeping the existing scale With a) and b) the actual salaries for the coming season won't be calculable until after the final day as these will still be moving targets depending on league performance up to the last day of the season. c) keep the rigid boundaries we have now, but I think there is widespread agreement that the inflexibility of these bandings is not ideal.
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Post by saltman on Aug 20, 2015 6:41:48 GMT -5
I assume there will also be a vote on the "extras" too? people seemed keen on "Extras 2" but not on "extras 1", but i guess we should vote on those proposals too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 7:03:16 GMT -5
I love extra fries
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 7:19:02 GMT -5
I assume there will also be a vote on the "extras" too? people seemed keen on "Extras 2" but not on "extras 1", but i guess we should vote on those proposals too Yes.
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Post by Turbanator on Aug 21, 2015 0:09:37 GMT -5
Guys, keep in mind that the bandings from the other proposal aren't the ones we would be using this offseason if that option went through. We would still need to wait until the offseason to figure out where the bandings stand, as they would be based off the top 5/10/20/40/60 from this current 2015 season. saltman @sikwitit2113 @jp The other proposal would yield 2015 salaries of: Michael Brantley 10.4 Wade Davis 4.1 FYI I think that regardless of the scale, a 6-category player with Brantley's 2014 numbers (.385/94/20/97/23/309 making him top 10 in TB and R, top 20 in RBI and OBP, top 40 in SB and top 60 in HR) would hit the arb scale maximums we're looking to revise in the thread 'Arb Salaries - Extras 2'. He was a top-10 fantasy asset last season, and these are the sort of guys I believe should still be paid reasonable salary whilst remaining below market value. To me, Wade Davis's $4.1 salary represents pretty much the highest any RP salary would ever reach in arb. He's a 6th year player who was INSANE in 2014. When you compare him to recent free agent salaries of arguably lesser-players (Glen Perkins going for $4.8 pre-hometown discount in 2014 FA, or David Robertson going for $4.8 pre-hometown discount in 2015 FA, for example) then Davis's salary doesn't seem overly inflated. It will be interesting to see what he goes for in FA this offseason. I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, just wanted to make sure that clarification was made.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 3:33:13 GMT -5
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, just wanted to make sure that clarification was made. Which part do you not agree with?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 9:25:09 GMT -5
What would Chapman's salary of been this year under the 2 proposals?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 17:10:04 GMT -5
What would Chapman's salary of been this year under the 2 proposals? You should be able to work this out for proposal 1 using the bands that were posted in the example in that proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 17:39:24 GMT -5
What would Chapman's salary of been this year under the 2 proposals? He would have qualified for the following: SV Top 20 $1.4 26-38 SV RP ERA Top 60 $0.3 1.71-2.54 ERA RP WHIP Top 10 $0.8 0.80-0.84 WHIP RP K Top 5 $1.0 103+ K (Total = $3.5) He's a 5th, so 70% of $3.5 -> $2.6 So instead of being paid the $4.4 he's receiving now, with the salary proposal from Discussion 1 he'd have a salary of $2.6 this season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 19:08:14 GMT -5
Well I'm ready to vote when are we doing this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 14:58:16 GMT -5
Can we have a vote to see if we are ready for a vote? Or maybe make 3 answers for each rule change proposal: "For", "Against", "Need more info"?
If need more info is selected, a week for more questions is alloted then we revoke on that specific rule change proposal?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:29:48 GMT -5
We finished clearing up the wording for the votes just today, so they'll be up either today or tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:52:49 GMT -5
Cool
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