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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 20:10:17 GMT -5
I was wondering is there any way to create a postseason in the league? Don't get me wrong I'm all about awarding the best team with a big trophy. This year the most dominate team definitely won. However with such a large margin of victory I was wondering if there was a way for the division winners and WC winners to play in some all in sprint to the finish 4 week rotisserie syle playoffs. Where their stats reset to zero but maybe the division winners have 2 bonus points and the team with best record gets an additional 2 bonus points?
Again just completely throwing these ideas out there. I know with the new competition rules the league will be more competitive but just wanted to see what people thought....
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Post by saltman on Oct 8, 2014 10:35:28 GMT -5
i had also suggested something along these lines a couple of months ago to one of the admins as a potential way to keep more teams interested late on in the season. but since then i have somewhat gone off the idea part of the problem (I think) is that this year first and 2nd were pretty much locked up ages ago. and even though i only finished 5th, my division title was sewn up ages ago too. if we had a really tight battle right to the wire then i doubt anyone would be suggesting drastic changes. for example last year only 6 points separated the top 3. whereas this year it was 16
personally i think the best thing in the short term is perhaps to see how the recently agreed changes go in 2015 in terms of keeping people more active and involved. then re-assess next year would be great to hear what other people think though as it's certainly a worthy discussion
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:44:56 GMT -5
This is a roto league, where the standings are a result of the whole season's performance and statistics.
I hope that the format of this league will lend itself not to dynasterial success, but to teams being able to consistently challenge and remodel themselves through free agency and trading without necessarily having to do the whole multi-year rebuild thing. I also hope that future seasons will see more teams making a genuine effort towards competing for both the world series title and other honours. This means we will be less likely to end up with 'uber teams' hoarding all of the top end talent as others rebuild, as there will be more teams vying for that calibre of player, equalising the standard between the middle and very top teams.
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Post by saltman on Oct 8, 2014 14:31:39 GMT -5
Agreed. The fact that Dbacks and I both went from bottom 3 overall to division winners in one season should give everyone hope and encouragement
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 18:22:33 GMT -5
I lost ALL hope when the A's lost... So please let me wallow in self pity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:33:39 GMT -5
So this looks like another year, that by the All-Star Break, we are going to have 2 possibly 3 teams going for the championship and the space between them and the rest of the pack is quite large. Since it seems there is quite a strong vote AGAINST some type of post season. What about annual realignment? Where we put all the division and wild card winners in a division (Champion or Gold or Groupon or something), the next place teams in a division (Silver or Clorox or something), and then the final tier teams in another divison (Bronze, blah, blah, and blah). This way each year people have a chance to get a divison championship or at least something to keep people interested in.
Look I'm here almost every day even though I am near the bottom of the standings I'm just looking for something to keep the league fresh. Baseball did realignment and made the All Star game count so just thinking of some creative new ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:25:28 GMT -5
So this looks like another year, that by the All-Star Break, we are going to have 2 possibly 3 teams going for the championship and the space between them and the rest of the pack is quite large. Since it seems there is quite a strong vote AGAINST some type of post season. What about annual realignment? Where we put all the division and wild card winners in a division (Champion or Gold or Groupon or something), the next place teams in a division (Silver or Clorox or something), and then the final tier teams in another divison (Bronze, blah, blah, and blah). This way each year people have a chance to get a divison championship or at least something to keep people interested in. In the first season of this league we only awarded the overall championship, and a lot of teams had little to play for in the second half. We decided to introduce divisional championships and a wildcard, so now 4 teams out of our 15 are awarded honours at year's end instead of just 1. I don't really follow how your suggested re-alignment would work. You mean that rather than divided by geography the divisions would be tiered by standings from the previous year, so if you finish near the bottom one year you can only compete for the lowest division the next? Look I'm here almost every day even though I am near the bottom of the standings I'm just looking for something to keep the league fresh. Baseball did realignment and made the All Star game count so just thinking of some creative new ideas. I don't think we can get to a point where everybody has something to play for every year, but perhaps we could investigate something that would be creative and would involve more teams who might not be in a race. Just throwing something out there that just popped into my head - what if we had some sort of bonus for the most-improved team in the second half? Whichever team improved their total score in the standings the most between the All-Star Break and the final standings is awarded something. I'm weary of fiddling with the cap numbers, so what about a bonus 20% discount in the following free agency to be used on any player they wish. Perhaps limit it to non-divisional winners (to make sure that the rich don't get richer).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:32:56 GMT -5
Hey man I think any idea is a good idea. I was just throwing stuff out there myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 18:14:36 GMT -5
I think the best way to reward playing to the end would be a better amateur draft position. Something like division champs and wildcard winner get picks 1-3 (obviously the overall champion is excluded and gets the last pick). Then the rest of the teams 5-15 are randomly ordered in between. Also, the first two rounds could be 1-15, then snake order begins with the 3rd round.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 7:25:58 GMT -5
I would prefer to reward division leaders with Additional Cap next season; not a overly significant amount maybe 10M to champ 5m to division winners 3m to WC. Certainly would motivate me to continue to try and improve
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 9:07:27 GMT -5
I would prefer to reward division leaders with Additional Cap next season; not a overly significant amount maybe 10M to champ 5m to division winners 3m to WC. Certainly would motivate me to continue to try and improve I think the top teams already have an incentive to try to win. Hopefully the divisional titles mean that more people are trying their best to get an honour on the league board. Additionally, giving the best teams additional cap seems to me that it would make it even harder for teams to move from 'rebuild' to 'competitor' as they not only have to improve the skill on their team but also have to compete against somebody with a cap advantage. Top teams would never be forced to rebuild as they could always make up for their prospect shortfall by spending extra in free agency. I believe the question raised revolves around how we keep those non-competitive teams interested in the 2nd half of seasons where they are out of contention. I quite like the idea of rewarding league performance with better draft position (I've floated this idea before - although if I brought this in I'd have pick 1 being the highest finisher that wasn't a division/wild card winner, then the 2nd then the 3rd etc). However - again this would have an adverse impact on the poorer teams who you would hope are given a slight competitive advantage by being awarded better draft picks that those teams better than them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 9:15:27 GMT -5
Fair enough though I think it would put rebuilding teams in a more difficult long-term position by taking away higher draft position. My vote would be to do nothing personally as I like the league as it is.
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Post by saltman on Jul 16, 2015 14:44:59 GMT -5
it's a tricky one. Personally I think the PA/IP minimums and minimum points settings (and associated penalties) are sufficient for discouraging full on tanking.
We need rebuilding teams to have an incentive to keep going and not give up on their franchise, and high draft picks are the best way to do that. Therefore I think generally speaking the top picks should go to the worst teams - maybe a NBA lottery type system so that 'playing' for the #1 pick is discouraged. The current draft pick allocation system is decent though and I don't mind if we keep it
Also I feel that the draft should be non-snake - so whoever has top pick gets top pick in every round.
I definitely don't think the top teams should get more cap space or other 'rewards', that would just make it even harder for the weaker teams to improve as Rockies says. They already get the glory of winning!
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Post by saltman on Jul 16, 2015 14:47:33 GMT -5
I am not sure about the annual realignment idea though. There should be enough year on year variance in team performance that it shouldn't be possible for a team to get stuck in a division they could never win. Plus there is the wildcard too
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Post by saltman on Jul 16, 2015 14:49:15 GMT -5
I think it's good to have these debates every year though. I love this league so I am very keen to make sure its overall long term health is maintained!
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